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Tim Dineen's avatar

Not using the "like" button is counter-productive. It is a useful tool not only for you to track who you've see, but also for your readers to know you've seen our comments.

Simply use a disclaimer such as "A "like" on a post does not imply endorsement, agreement, or disagreement — it simply indicates that I’ve read it." If you respond to a post, your response will indicate whether you agree with the poster, or not.

As for the folks who attend Coachella... My nephew has been a couple of times. He is not even remotely what one would call a person with money - nor are his friends. What they are, are innovative. Pretty much doing stuff the way I did as a kid on the cheap. I also know a couple of folks who have gone to Burning Man who don't have two sticks to rub together. While many - if not most - of these folks may have disposable funds, there are ways to enjoy this stuff without a bankroll. Lord knows I've done it.

But speaking at Coachella is reaching a hellava lot more people than just those in the audience. And it's also a positive way to help influence change to people who don't normally pay attention to politics. Their minds are not clamped shut.

And, really... If saying something innocuous like someone's pronouns do matter while simultaneously listing things that are certain to affect them directly, and that person votes for a Trump-loving fascist fuckwad, instead, we never had that voter in the first place - and probably never will.

The clamped shut minds are going to stay that way. No amount of "outreach" is going to sway them. We need to stop focusing on that MINORITY of potential voters and start focusing on the MAJORITY of potential voters who simply aren't voting.

I think a good starting point for getting people out in the streets, writing their Reps, et al, is happening with 50501, among others. The two most recent protests I've been to have been with people of all ages - sadly, not all colors, because POC have some very legitimate concerns about being dragged away iun unmarked vehicles while protesting in our current fascist state. But it's also emphasizing the state of the United States that has made speaking up so fearful - and that resonates with everyone I have seen.

As for the threat to primary... it has certainly worked with the Trump crowd. Republicans are lock-step with anything and everything he does because they fear the retribution and bottomless pit of money Elonia has. Our under-performing Democratic seats need to know that their Blue seats may be safe - but their occupation of that seat is not.

Finally,if the Democratic Party wants to muzzle someone like David Hogg, why are we ever having this conversation? The other side has already won.

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Victor Martorano's avatar

Just a couple of points. First, I know a few young folks (some are relatives unfortunately) who aren’t jobless, homeless or otherwise on the fringe who are MAGA. It makes no sense to me and I just can’t wrap my head around it. I don’t think Bernie and AOC are wasting time talking to people who could afford tickets to Coachella. The 30,000 cheering Bernie are also reaching out to the untold numbers across the country who couldn’t afford or were logistically unable to be there.

As for young folks (particularly young men) who support far right causes, I honestly think they’re lost and there is no way to reach them. We have to outnumber them and reach the liberals who are apathetic and sit home. I think one of the ways to start reaching them is to listen. Don't give them a utopian view of the world that isn't reachable in their lifetime. Give them universal healthcare a fair minimum wage and free university education for starters. This country can afford all of that.

I too worry about challenging sitting moderate Democrats but I also worry about sticking with the status quo when it’s clearly not working. If a moderate democrat doesn’t like the message of a progressive candidate and sits out the election then they’re part of the problem. Or maybe most of the problem given the number of democrats who didn’t vote in the 2024 election.

And as an aside I’m sad over the loss of Pope Francis. Not because I’m Catholic (I’m actually a raging heathen) but it’s another loss of a liberal voice in the world.

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